Newly found success, the wisdom of Dolemite, “why the art world is full of shit”, and the low-budget genius of The Woman Chaser.
Korey’s responses are printed in normal style and font.
My questions are in Italics
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DoubleToasted Studio, 2:00 AM.
Korey Coleman likes to talk. He’s a podcaster who owns and operates Double Toasted.com, he’s an entertainer, filmmaker, animator, and a fine host. Along with his co-hosts on his podcasts he talks about movies, art, entertainment, and anything else that he damn pleases to talk about because he’s Korey Coleman. He not only has an eclectic knowledge of film and animation, but he himself is a film maker whose work has been screened at South by Southwest and his animations have accumulated millions of views on YouTube over the years. He is his own boss and his own man and he does what he does because he loves what he does. He’s found success out of two fairly new services which have become the backbone of his new venture, Live-streaming from his own website, Doubletoasted.com, along with a partnership with SoundCloud.com…After leaving your parent company, going off on your own, you’ve really found a lucrative way of growing your own website, one which you weren’t even sure would last six months, what changed?
[Korey laughs, pauses.] Oh this is where the question is? What changed is—I just like to be realistic about things. When I am realistic about things they sound as if they’re pessimistic… But, look, if you try and make a living by your own business in general—restaurants don’t last that long, the percentage of restaurants that fail is high—when you have startups that go out of business you never hear about those because they’re not as glamorous or they’re not as much of a great story like some of the startups that you hear about… Starting your own business in general is a risky thing, and I didn’t mind saying that we probably wouldn’t last long—and I didn’t say that we wouldn’t, I was just being realistic and saying that there is a possibility that we might not last long, we might present something that people think they want at first but then it won’t last… When I was with my friend Brian Brushwood, who was the one that encouraged me, and Brian Brushwood is another guy who makes his living online along with touring and whatnot, he was the one that encouraged me to do the kick starter—and as an example, there was another guy who raised $155,000 on KickStarter, I raised $130,000, and the guy who raised $155,000—he didn’t last that long—he didn’t last a year.
So, I look at things from a very realistic point of view, I’m not afraid to fail because I always have a plan B. When I said that we weren’t going to last long, it wasn’t a lack of confidence in myself, I was being very humble and realistic about it—so the thing that changed was that— it worked. [Korey laughs] you know what I mean? What can I say? People stayed. Fortunately… And I’m very grateful for that.
Despite your success, you and your co-hosts often jibe, saying you are not the most academically fluent man… you dropped out of college, you say “Morio” and instead of “Mario”, “earthquick” instead of “earthquake”, and so on… But the work that you’ve done, and the success you have had, demonstrates that you have a rare instinctual intelligence that is hard to pin down, difficult to even talk about. Even if you don’t fully understand it yourself, you have proved that you know how to use it. It goes hand in hand with the fact that you have a personal magnetism that others feel when you enter a room, or when they even just hear your voice….
…Now there’s another man with personal magnetism that I know you know; in fact, you’ve met him…. So what can you tell me about Rudy Ray Moore— [I pull out a VHS tape copy of The Human Tornado. Korey immediately begins laughing hysterically as he sees the cover of the tape] — and the Human Tornado, what does this film mean to you?…
Awww! Well… First of all, thank you for giving me credit for succeeding despite my stupidity.
[Korey looks at the tape again, he won’t stop laughing]
…You sunuvabitch… (he says lovingly) BUT… What can I tell you about Rudy Ray Moore? LISTEN, here’s the thing about Rudy Ray Moore, and if your readers don’t know about Rudy Ray Moore, Rudy Ray Moore is a guy who made—everything he did—was NOT the best. Let’s just say that it was bad. But this guy did a number of things, he was a comedian, he was—I don’t think he was a karate expert in real life, but in his movies he showed his expertise in the area of Kung Fu, he was a singer, and he was a producer, I don’t think he ever directed any of his movies, but, in addition to this guy just being funny—everybody talks about Tommy Wiseau and The Room…THIS guy [points to the VHS tape] he was doing what Tommy Wiseau had done, on a better level. Look up The Room if you don’t know what I’m talking about, but, [Rudy] had done the same thing with better quality—not a lot—but he made these movies that people adored, because he made them for an audience that wanted what he was producing. This guy, as far as a businessman, look, if you look at his movies, his movies are horrible—and that’s the whole attraction, they’re fun—you can watch this with the crowd and have the best time. They’re highly quotable, and this guy, whether by accident or on purpose, he’s hilarious. More by accident. [We laugh]
If you look at what he’s done, he’s almost the Tyler Perry of his day. He’s not a—well he’s dead now—but he was not a billionaire, I don’t even know if he was a millionaire, but he got by on doing what he liked. And the more I learned about Rudy Ray Moore the more I realized that this was a man who had his own destiny, he had his own business in his hands, he did what he wanted to do whether it was good or not, he went out and did it, and because he wanted to do it, and because he did it with confidence, he was a successful man, a successful businessman, he didn’t die poor. So I look at him in addition to me just loving what he’s done. I discovered him when I was in high school and I’ve loved these movies ever since because they just make me laugh, but the more I learned about this guy the more I realized, I can really learn a lot from how he went out in a creative area and produced many movies at a time when we didn’t have digital, it was all film, at a time when it was hard to get a record company to get behind you, he produced his own albums, music and comedy. This guy is a true inspiration in entrepreneurship in the area of creative business, that’s what I think about him.
Now you’ve seen Dolemite, you’ve seen the Human Tornado, you’ve seen Disco Godfather
All of’em, several times.
But there is one more Dolemite thing, this is a gift for you, have you listened to this?
[I pull out of my bag, Dolemite For President]
Oh my God… Dolemite for Presi—Yes I have! Yes I have man! Oh my God, this is one of the dirtiest albums I’ve ever heard. It’s all stuff—I mean if I can say this—stuff on here, this guy, before rappers were who they are, they had party albums back in the day that you would play at a party, and these albums would never hit mainstream, but my—your grandparents, my parents—they would get together and have these parties and they would play dirty albums and dirty comedy albums, this is one of’em, all kinds of jokes about PUSSY and, you know, he talks about race relations, sometimes in the most nastiest way.
This is… This is amazing, man, thank you. Thank you! Man, this is very nice of you! And let me tell you something, you’re giving me the VHS—I guess you’re giving me that—
Yes, these are all gifts, IF you want them.
No I will take them, happily. You gave me the VHS to The Human Tornado… I might’ve given this away, and this might be the very copy that I gave away. [laughs] I had—or I might still have—but I had a copy of Human Tornado on VHS, I almost wore it out.
There are two cuts, there is a standard cut, and there is an extended cut, this is the extended version.
And that’s—I noticed that, because in the extended cut there’s a couple of things that they cut out: one is they had a scene with a—and you gotta remember the times, people—and the cool thing about it is they were still respectful to gay people! Rudy Ray Moore as Dolemite pulls over a gay guy and carjacks’em and at the end pays him money and he doesn’t say anything about you being some sort of faggot or anything, he’s cool with the guy! They cut that scene short, and there’s one other scene where he’s having sex with a woman, and for some reason they cut to him and this woman as an old people, eating fried chicken. [We start laughing] …And there’s another woman just randomly looking at them like goddamn you really love that chicken!
I’ve only seen the standard cut, thank you for telling me what is in the extended cut—
And in the extended cut, I just saw the extended cut—like three weeks ago—it’s crazy that you’re talking about this because I saw the extended cut three weeks ago, I went over to one of my best friend’s house, we watched it, and they have it, they just released, these Xenon Rudy Ray Moore movies on Blu-ray and they put everything back in along with some really cool bonus features, so yeah man, to get the extended cut on VHS… I will not get rid of this, this is a collector’s item right here. Where did you find this?
I just got it on Amazon.
Yo man. This is really cool to have the extended cut on VHS; this is a collector’s item for someone like me. This is awesome.
Okay… there’s more…
Oh my god, you’re too kind man.
No but—I never laughed so much—there is one particular scene in this movie, it’s when the door is going open and closed, “Show me where Caviletti—”
OH, “Where is Caviletti hiding my girls! WHERE is Caviletti hiding my GIRLS!”
And the ceiling is just falling and—
He’s just tearing up the room, the doors going—I remember I watched this, THIS is crazy because I watched this movie with my Mom—
My Mom got—it must of took her back to the days where she would watch this kind of stuff cuz—like I’m not religious, but my mom is a very religious Christian woman, but every now and then something would drag her back into her heathen ways. And we watched this together, and at that scene—people if you don’t know what we’re talking about you should watch this movie—but he’s trying to get information from this woman and he’s interrogating her by having sex with her, and he’s having sex with her so hard and questioning her, he keeps saying—he’s trying to find this villain named Caviletti, this mob boss—and he keeps saying: “Where is Caviletti hiding my girls! WHERE is Caviletti hiding my GIRLS!” And there’s a whirlwind sound going wshoooooeuuuuu and their tearing up the living room and I remember my mom is looking at this like: “Whoooooweeeee he’s tearin up that pussy!”
And I even had to look at her like: “What the hell?” But hey, it was a bonding experience. [We both laugh].
[long pause, recovering from laughter.]
Rudy Ray Moore is a strange guy…
Y’know, he is one of the nicest guys though, I interviewed him twice, it was a dream come true for me. And as I said, even back then I didn’t recognize it, after his death, after me meeting him, this man, he is truly an inspiration from a business standpoint—like I said—an entrepreneurial standpoint… You don’t hear of stories like his from a lot of people, y’know, during his time—being a person of color his stories just weren’t at the forefront. He was, the Tyler Perry of his time, or one of the Tyler Perrys of his time. And when you met him he was actually very grateful to meet people who loved what he did, it was amazing. Man, this stuff is a big part of my, just—y’know, my life. I know it sounds weird, but you could ask me about anybody, Spielberg, Lucas, Tarantino, De Palma, y’know, anyone, Scorsese, but everybody knows those guys… It’s people like this that I love to meet and I really break down—
You can’t write his movies, you can’t replicate that, it’s just HIM! It’s unbelievable. You’ve gotta see it to believe it.
That’s the other thing about it. I’m not trying to make any type of pretensions about he was this great creative guy who made these great movies, no, his movies were shit, but the fact that he just did them on his own and got them distributed—
But they are NOT boring, there are so many memorable moments in this film!
Isn’t that the thing, when some people ask you—I learned really quickly, like, when people ask you about what is your favorite movie, what you judge cinema by, I have a whole different outlook on movies because…You’re right there’s nothing in here that’s boring, when you ask me like what’s a quotable movie, The Human Tornado is a quotable movie for me. I could watch this over and over again and never be bored. When people ask me what are my favorite movies, one of them is Human Tornado simply because it’s entertaining. It does what it wants to do, no matter the quality of filmmaking.
He breaks all the rules, y’know, it starts out with him saving this orphanage, and it’s like oh wow this guy made himself the main character, he’s just making himself look good, and then he goes on this adventure and by the end you’re just like: this guy— he’s got to be this character in REAL life! This performance cannot be contained!
Yeah! Think about what you’re saying, it really makes us question, what is good filmmaking, or what is good entertainment—
It’s a series of moments that you remember.
Yeah! So when you say something, such as: Tommy Wiseau’s The Room—who are we to come in and judge that movie as a bad movie, to say that, some people who say it’s a bad, terrible film. Well, you can say that, and maybe it’s a classic by accident, but, how many times have you watched The Godfather? Okay, you say, today, people your age or a little bit above, one, to never. Now you ask them how many times they’ve seen The Room… “Man, I watch that every day, I watch that with my friends every weekend…” How do you define entertainment? How do you define a good movie? A good movie is not always these elements that film critics tell you they are, a good movie, should always be judged by its subjective standard of what’s entertainment for you… And this is for me [The Human Tornado]. It might not be for anybody else. I’m sure that, well-known, famous movie critic, Pauline Kael, who is dead right now, would look at Human Tornado and say, hey, this is awful… But I look at it and I say this is a classic. And I’ve never shown this to somebody who didn’t smile, who didn’t have a laugh, everybody that sees this once I put it on they can’t stop watching, it’s an amazing film, and it’s more sincere than these Hollywood movies that they make, they have the production and the money behind them in the marketing power of the movie stars, but the movies are horrible. This guy scrapped together some money, got a director, put himself in the movie, made it and put it out there and it met its demand.
They’re trying to please people, but it’s so obvious in THIS that HE is pleasing himself, he is doing this for him. He’s doing what he wants, because he loves being this superhero.
He’s living his fantasy. But don’t think that he doesn’t recognize that there’s a market for this. At the time, Blaxploitation—and Blaxploitation is kind of a tricky word because Blaxploitation makes it seem like there were people coming in, exploiting black people. But this guy, he just made movies for an audience he knew was not getting—Hollywood was not delivering in the kind of images and the kind of stories that black people wanted at that time. Black people would take it and they’d go to movies if they could afford it, but in the inner cities, people wanted to see images of them. People wanted to see portrayals of what they considered their heroes, and this guy tapped into that.
The movie itself is so empowering, even though it’s so silly. It doesn’t have to be SERIOUS and empowering—
You make something with confidence, hey, that’s all there is to it. Make something confidence, he made it with confidence, he made it because he wanted to make it, and people appreciate that, you never know.
In the way he speaks in rhyme, he’s like a fairytale creature, this weird out of this world— it’s like you go into Alice in Wonderland when you start watching this movie, it’s this entire world that he creates that is through his eyes!
I’m glad to see you like this so much man. It’s a classic piece of cinema, I don’t care what anyone says, I’ll argue with them to the end about that.
And I looked it up… and there’s barely anything on it…On Wikipedia, there’s barely anything about the production, I want to know everything about this.
Well no one was writing about it. It was made, again, for those particular audiences that were not really being recognized by Hollywood.
That just says to me that it still hasn’t gotten, y’know, what it’s deserved. And maybe it never will, but it’s still what it is, and it’s still great.
It’s a cult classic though. And there are some cult classics that you can look up and learn more about, Plan Nine From Outer Space, you can look that up, and learn the history of Ed Wood, and how he made that movie… But this movie here is something that not a lot of journalists tapped into, you’re going to have to really dig deep if you ever want to know something about it, and digging that deep is limited right now, now that he’s deceased. So…
And with Plan Nine From Outer Space—people say—worst movie ever! I watched it when I was a kid was like: This—This is fine. This is not the worst movie ever.
It’s not the worst movie ever… But it is a terrible movie.
It’s silly, it’s just silly!
Well, people look at what the intentions were and what the thought process was behind that movie, Ed Wood thought he was—from what I understand—Ed would thought he was making a really serious piece of science fiction.
That makes it even better!
But again, yeah! He missed his mark, but it was for that reason that he made something incredible, so… [shrugs]
Alright. So, Rudy Ray Moore, he’s a strange guy, but there’s another strange guy, an artist that makes you laugh… Why is it though? Why is THIS guy so funny to you?
[I pull out the Wesley Willis CD from my bag]
This is Wesley Willis!?
[laughs…looks back at it again, laughs louder]
See the track list?
Oh man I’m familiar with this, I had this album…. Wait a minute…is this—when did this come out? This is… Yeah… I think I had this, it’s hard to tell because he puts his artwork on a lot of his albums. Is this a greatest hits collection? Vol. 2? Yeah! I think I have this…uh, let’s see here… Yeah, I mean, I can recognize some of this should already, like [the track] Fuck You.
[Now it’s me whose laughing]
Why do I find this guy so interesting?
Yeah MAN, he’s mentally challenged… Why do you make fun of him, MAN?
[Korey laughs] No. I support this. I support this. Again, if your readers don’t know about Wesley Willis, he was a guy from Chicago who had severe mental disorders, he was paranoid schizophrenic, and he needed to be on heavy medication, and—why am I fascinated by this—because there are people right here who are afflicted with unfortunate disabilities like this or unfortunate mental instabilities like this, and they are never able to turn it into a positive. Wesley Willis was fortunately one of those rare guys who—somebody was able to find him. Anyone can say anything about his music but again—it’s unique… it’s not good, it’s repetitive, it’s downright crazy, sometimes creepy when you get to his bestiality songs, or his dark side songs. He has his normal song, his adoration songs—Alanis Morissette, I Kicked Batman’s Ass—then he gets into: Suck a Pitbull’s Dick, Lick a Camel’s Bootyhole… [laughing] He would pick out random animals… Suck a Cheetahs—Lick a Cheetahs Dick or something…
And the beat!
[Korey proceeds to accurately beatbox the Wesley Willis beat]
I mean, it was all repetitive, but there was a beauty in seeing a guy who had this mental instability be able to put his—he had a creative side, and I always respect anybody, no matter what it is man, who can make something out of what they consider their talent or their creative side, I don’t care if it’s bad or not, but if you can go in there and do it and it comes from a sincere place—this guy was not putting on an act. He was not doing this for money, he just did this because for some reason, and his mentally deranged mind—these songs had to come out, and somebody found him and made him an underground cult hero… and I respect that, I really do. It came from an honest place, and it made me laugh.
But you laugh at him, that’s wrong Korey, that’s wrong, he’s… he’s challenged, he’s mentally challenged, that’s so wrong to laugh at him, to make jokes about him, why would you do that?
Okay, I know you understand me, but if somebody was to ask me about why I do this, there’s a difference between taking somebody and exploiting them where your taking advantage of the disability that they may have, if I was to take a guy who had one eye bigger than the other and put him on display, and say look at this guy with the CRAZY eye, isn’t that FUNNY? That’s one thing, but [Wesley Willis] produced something, he wanted an audience for it. And yeah they were laughing at him, but were they having a good time? And did they praise this guy? They didn’t go up to him and say, hey you FUCKIN RETARD, nice music MAN. No, they went up and said hey man, I had a great time at your show, you brought some happiness into my life. It might be because it’s crazy, it might be because it’s weird, but you genuinely made me happy. And I can’t speak for everybody, maybe some people did look at him as this freak, I looked at him and I said, hey, I listen to this and it makes me laugh, and I would never go up to him and talk down to him. I respect what he’s done… This, this is where life is unique! You can’t manufacture this! This is where people can’t go in and make this up. This is not false! That is REAL! That’s why I like crazy stuff, because it’s real. If something comes from a sincere, real place to me, and I can get some joy from it, I respect it, I’m not making fun of him, I respect everything he’s done, and I’m a true fan, I’m not a fan of this because I want to make fun of this guy, I’m a fan of this guy because I truly enjoy it, I can listen to this— I listened to this before and people have been like: “What are you listening to?” I let them hear it, and they say: “You listen to this? You let all the songs play and you just have headphones on?” And I’m like, yeah, maybe I’m crazy, I don’t know! But I can work to this, I can put this on and draw!
Key and Peele said: “To not make fun of something is itself a form of bullying. When a humorist makes the conscious decision to exclude a group from derision, isn’t he or she implying that the members of that group are not capable of self-reflection?—
—I’m surprised that you had this ready, you must of known my ass ahead of—you know me too well!…
…Okay, let me finish the quote.
“When a humorist makes the conscious decision to exclude a group from derision, isn’t he or she implying that the members of that group are not capable of self-reflection? Or don’t possess the mental faculties to recognize the nuances of satire? A group that’s excluded never gets the opportunity to join in the greater human conversation.”
Well, no. I don’t think he was ever in on the joke himself y’know… [laughs] you know, hell no.
But people went up to him—they touched foreheads with him—that’s what he wanted, he loved head-butting the girls.
Yeah, I don’t think he ever realized that people were listening to his music and saying: “Okay, this is crazy, y’know, this is a novelty, and this is why we’re listening to it.” Nobody ever treated him like that, he thought he was producing some really great music, and again, that’s all a matter of opinion. But, people did not look down on him, people adored him. He entertained people and they appreciated him, and they gave him love for that. So… no, I don’t think—I mean that’s a great quote, but no, he didn’t fucking get what was going on—no, come on, I’m just being honest! No! [laughs] He… he thought he was making—he thought he was fucking Michael Jackson, man, y’know, I mean, come on. [laughs] and that’s kind of the beauty of being in the mental state he is, he doesn’t—he has no clue, he’s just doing it because it needs to come out— and I don’t even know if he thought he was great… What is true art? True art is something—I’ll tell you a true art is, true art… You could say, there—there is art, if I go and produce a song for you, and I use the same template over and over again for different people, I’m producing a form of art, it’s mass-produced, I’m making money from it, but it is a form of art. But true art, true art comes from a place where people have to release it. That’s why I tell people all the time when they say how do I do this—I want to write a screenplay, I want to make a movie, I want to make a comic book, I want to draw a picture, I want to paint something—okay, you want to do it, if you want to do it you’re gonna do it, there’s no other advice to be given. I mean, you can give people advice on how to go about it, you can tell them how to talk to people, how to follow avenues to success, you can recommend books on techniques and whatnot, but when it’s all done, if somebody really wants to do something, they’re gonna do it. If they don’t want to do it the moment they say “I’m bored I don’t want to do this”, they never wanted to do it. Doing something is when you’re tired or you’re not sure how something is going to come out and you’re scared, and you go against it and you do it anyway because it has to come out. [Wesley Willis] produced the music he did because it had to come out.
People ask—y’know, Ernest Hemingway, “Writing, how do I—how do I write all the time, these ideas, I don’t have them—” and he said: “You just go over to the typewriter, and you just bleed.”
That’s what it is, man. I mean—and some people do bleed, and what they do bleed is horrible. People will mimic, people will research, people will copy things and make it their own, there’s nothing wrong with that, so they can get an idea and learn more how to perfect what they want to do, and there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just the doing part, that’s the biggest thing…
[Korey holds up the Wesley Willis CD]
I think he did this artwork.
He did. And it’s really good, too.
It IS good. This guy was not—that’s the thing, he was not this insane person people would label him as. He would actually—he had talent, man. Again, true artists—there’s almost a genius here, where he sees the world in a different way than other people.
And he would sell those drawings for NOTHING…But he just kept on doing them.
Yeah. That’s why I think the art world is full of SHIT. Because somebody can go, they had this video where these teenagers went and laid some glasses out on the floor of the museum, and people thought, “Oh, what is the meaning of this, this must be art.” The art world is just so full of shit, because this guy produced real art from his heart, and did the art world recognize him? Did his stuff show in a gallery? No… it should have, because that is true art right there. That guy is doing better work than some of these con artists out there, who are selling paintings for millions…
Last thing I wanted to talk to you about is— well, you see a lot of movies, and over the years I’ve taken your recommendations to heart, and because of that, I’ve seen films that I would’ve never come across but love to death. And there was one in particular that had an astonishing effect on me, a film that is impossible, IMPOSSIBLE to get on DVD. You once said it was your favorite independent film, what can you tell me about The Woman Chaser? [I pull out of my bag, The Woman Chaser, on VHS]
Wow!… [Korey looks the tape over.] Wow… This is, this is amazing, to get this again on VHS. I think I had this on VHS and I might have given it away… I actually might still have this, because I think I hung on to it because it’s so rare.
[I pull out a disc from my bag]
I actually made you a DVD of The Woman Chaser, a transfer of THIS VHS tape.
Oh excellent! THANK YOU, you—you know why this is so awesome? Because I can show my girlfriend this, I’ve been talking about this for so long, and you can, well…
You can watch it on Netflix, I think.
You can watch it on Netflix, but if you watch it on Netflix—the reason why this never came out is because—
The music! Yeah! It never came out on DVD because of the music, and I actually interviewed the director, Robinson Devor, and he gave me the soundtrack, and he gave—and that’s why I never got rid of it, because he gave me the VHS copy! But you cannot find—this was never like, sold, he gave it to me…The Woman Chaser, it’s a movie with Patrick Warburton, it’s based off of—I finally read the book—
Charles Willeford man, I finally read the book, you can actually look at my phone and see the book on there. I love this story man, that book is so close, there’s only one or two minor details—actually there’s some broad things in there that are in the movie, there’s some differences, but for the most part, they stick close to that book. What do you want to know about this? So is this the one with the original music?
Yes…with the: [we hum the opening theme]
Yeah man! I can show this to my girlfriend, I never showed it to her on Netflix because, I tried to watch it on Netflix, maybe not thinking about this correctly, but I’m pretty sure when I try to watch on Netflix it didn’t have the same music, and I told her, don’t watch this version, let me find a—and I was actually thinking about pulling out my VHS copier and making a DVD of it, but now thanks to you, I don’t have to. But I told her she should watch this, but yeah, what is it that you want to know about it?
When you saw it, did you go in cold, you saw it at a festival or…?
Yeah I saw it at SXSW, because I was doing an interview with [Robinson Devor]. And I have to admit the first time I saw that I was lukewarm to it… But, I watched it again about two days later, and I said: “What the hell was I thinking?” It’s a black-and-white movie, and because it’s black and white, it captures the time period of that 60s lounge feel. It captures that period and that tone so well, and it’s a very, very, very low-budget film. I don’t even know if it was made for a million. Maybe it was, I mean, I know that Patrick Warburton, he really wanted to do this because he wanted to show his range in acting, and I guarantee you, and people if you don’t know who Patrick Warburton is, you do, look him up,
You know his voice.
Yeah, you know his voice, for the younger people of there—
Emperor’s New Groove.
The Venture Brothers, he’s Brock Samson…
Oh yeah, Family Guy! The guy in the wheelchair, I forget his name. He’s also got a sitcom on CBS, I forgot what it was called… But, you’re never going to see him have a broader performance than he does right here man… It’s an odd performance that has to capture almost this—this villainous side of the character, who does not realize what he’s doing, could be considered, villainous. He’s manipulative, he’s almost mentally ill, because he’s prone to like—he’s almost—what would you call it, where you have mood swings…
Bipolar. He’s almost bipolar, man… have you seen it?
Yeah! Many times!
Yeah, he’s disturbed! In his mind, what he’s doing is totally justified, that’s why love this movie, because it’s narrated by him, and everything that’s narrated, you get to see the opposite on the screen, and what he’s telling you is totally different from what you’re seeing. This guy is bipolar, he’s disturbed, he’s delusional—
—Yet he’s relatable at the same time.
Because he’s a handsome, well dressed guy, who is well-versed in the right social language to manipulate people.
Yeah, and he’s trying to make this movie that he really believes in. And you’re there with him as he makes it, and the way he brings in the musician—that’s such a cool process!
Yeah, it’s a movie about a guy who—he is a manipulator, I’m letting your people know, he’s manipulator, and he goes in, and he knows just the right thing to say to get people to do what he wants, all his whims. He’s a used car salesman, and the movie opens with him, pretty much taking the used car sales lot from a guy, for a very, very discounted price, and he gets bored by it, and wants to create something, and I think that’s what I like about it, is that this guy, he would be normal if somebody had just embraced what he created, but he created a movie that—just because of the time he was in, he was ahead of his time. The production studio who funded the movie feels like it’s going to scare people, and they’re going to take his vision, and they’re going to rip it apart. And he just can’t handle it. And it’s a tragic story, this guy falls apart, he cracks up, his world implodes on him, because—just because somebody took this one thing that is genuinely great, and they say the world is just not ready for it. It’s a tragedy. It’s a tragic story, it’s a comedic tragic story, but it is a tragedy.
What’s so great is, it is a tragedy, but it’s also not, because in the end he just lies to himself, and he so manipulative, so great, he manipulates himself!
And he lies to himself, he says: “And then he has a happy ending, and he does…” And sitting there with this big smile on his face as he’s watching his movie—
[Both of us, simultaneously]
That doesn’t even exist.
That doesn’t even exist.
That’s goes to show that he’s—I think it ended differently in the book—but it goes to show that, at least in the movie, that this is a guy who, because the world wasn’t ready for him, as judged by one person, who ran the studio, maybe people would embrace his film, but one guy shot him down, and because of that he had a nervous breakdown.
And people like him CAN thrive, but if they don’t, they really are just crazy.
Yeah, and that’s the other thing about it, you can’t forgive him because, there’s a compromise that can be made, but he goes to such levels of, of such an uncompromising level that—
Yeah, he doesn’t say: “Oh well, I can just make another movie.” Or “This is my foot in the door.” He says “this is the be all, end all.” And THAT is a bipolar thing. All or nothing.
Again, obsessive about something, one thing, no compromise to a self-destructive point. But this movie, as far as the filmmaking goes, it’s one of the best films I’ve seen as making the most with your budget. This movie has so many good locations, it is so faithful to its source material, and has such style. And that’s the thing about it, on a low-budget this movie has such style… And when I watch it, I love the progression of this character, I love how this characters portrayed, and for any filmmaker out there that wants to make a low-budget movie, look at this film and see how this guy does effective shots on a low-budget. It’s an amazing feat, and it’s an underrated film, I need to start showing this film as part of an event or something, y’know, just bring people out to watch it, because it’s a highly—one of the most highly, highly underrated films, today with the internet being what it is, you’d think that, there’s no—because back in the day, when I was coming up, before the internet was like it is, you had to trade films, there were underground things, there were cult things, this is a remnant of that period. This is something that cannot be traded easily among people. The original version of this, you have to actually go and get hard copies of this somewhere, I don’t think you can even find the whole movie online on YouTube, maybe you can, I don’t know. But I think you actually have to—where’d you get this? This, this VHS?
It was an Ebay-type listing, there was just one left.
Well, I have much appreciation for that, because this is truly that one thing that has to be traded, by hand. It’s not anything that’s going to be traded easily online. It’s a remnant of that time, when true underground stuff was truly underground. Or true cult stuff was truly cult stuff. Cult stuff today can be cult stuff, but you can find that with the push of a button online, not THIS. That’s something that’s hard to find… Maybe it’s easier to find, somebody’s gonna say: “Korey, you’re full of shit, I just found it now!” If that’s the case, that’s awesome, that’s awesome, more people should see it, and I hope it does become a little more mainstream within its—its cult classic area. Well thank you, that’s awesome.
Thank you! Because these wouldn’t be in front of you if you hadn’t told me about them. I’ve seen them because of you, it didn’t come from any place else. I brought these to show you that this is what you’ve brought to me.
And I’m just giving it back…
That’s amazing, I mean— it’s… if nothing else, it says, THIS says, somebody listened.
That’s awesome, that’s the biggest compliment that you can give someone man, thank you so much.
And thank you, and I hope you continue to bring these hidden gems to many more people.
I don’t know, hidden gems are so easy to find, I don’t know what more I can offer people, but there’s some stuff out there that I thought you couldn’t find as easily online, but this is amazing, thank you, sir.
Thank you very much, aaaaaaand staayyyyyy—
—Toastyeeee! [laughs] You just had to put that in there huh?
-Danny Damian. 6/24/16
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